tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post5840575522856730735..comments2022-11-14T07:03:49.162-06:00Comments on by a cynical libertarian: Afghanistan Part IKyla Denaehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04079377672682346142noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-34039163884635097012009-12-23T14:25:01.346-06:002009-12-23T14:25:01.346-06:00Minding our own business is what gets us killed.
...Minding our own business is what gets us killed. <br />I'm not going to check this anymore, I'm sick of arguing via comments. It leaves something to be desired.<br /><br />JTJTNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15393383918737627991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-48332567023433940872009-12-23T09:11:09.095-06:002009-12-23T09:11:09.095-06:00So I'm not supposed to take the terrorist'...So I'm not supposed to take the terrorist's word about why he's attacking us? Since I doubt anybody else can really know...well, he probably knows. And to be very, very blunt- I can see his point of view. I may not necessarily agree with all of it, and I definitely do not agree with his way of going about getting rid of the evil- diplomacy is oftentimes more effective than force- but he did warn us for years about his intentions. We brought it upon ourselves.<br /><br />Pearl Harbor was not perpetrated by Muslims. That was the Japanese. And FDR was either a traitor or quite an idiot, because he put our entire Pacific fleet in the harbor- one harbor, conveniently close and very vulnerable to Japanese attack- and then left them there, despite repeated warnings that the Japs were planning/fixing to execute an attack.<br /><br />In essence, Teresa, we did cause 9/11. Bin Laden warned us. We did not listen. We didn't even try to listen. Other countries also subtly hinted we should mind our own business, and we didn't listen to them, either. It was our arrogance and our imperialism that goaded the Muslims to attack us. We may not have committed the actual action, but by doing nothing about our policies (and our politicians), we let 9/11 happen to us.<br /><br />It does not matter what bin Laden would do. It only matters what we do. If we left Afghanistan like the Afghans so desperately want us to do, we would be doing the right, Constitutional thing. We need to bring back our occupying soldiers from all over the world- Germany, Iceland, the UK, the African nations...our occupation of their countries merely adds to our unpopularity and the world's poor opinion of us.<br /><br />I thought that we didn't need to worry about more terrorist attacks because we have the PATRIOT act and DHS. I thought that those things kept us safe. Or are they less comprehensive, and less able to keep us safe than the hype says? If they aren't, then why do we need to worry about more terrorist attacks?<br /><br />It does not matter what bin Laden does. It only matters what we do, and whether our actions are right or not. We have no business in Afghanistan. Attacking an entire sovereign country when our justification for it is shaky at best, nonexistent at worse, is silly, a waste of money, and a detriment to our own position.<br /><br />So since most of the world didn't recognize the Taliban as a government, we have a right to go kill them all. This is the same kind of attitude the British had during the Revolutionary War, and after- and that's why we got pulled into the War of 1812! But they weren't right, were they?<br /><br />I love how things change the moment it's <b>us</b> getting the bad end of a deal.<br /><br />I do care about oppressed peoples, which I made clear. I just do not think it is my <b>GOVERNMENT'S</b> job to free them!!!!Kyla Denaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079377672682346142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-55128773762649699412009-12-22T18:33:47.044-06:002009-12-22T18:33:47.044-06:00Liberty,
The fact that you would take a terro...Liberty,<br /> The fact that you would take a terrorist's word, who was the behind of 9/11 terrorists attacks, over our country's necessity to keep us safe is outrageous and borders awfully close to sedition. That is rooting for the defeat for your country and for the terrorists to win. <br /><br />The United States did not cause the attacks on Pearl Harbor or 9/11 but they were in fact deliberate acts committed by Jihadists who have perverted their Muslim faith to include destroying the West. If we left Afghanistan today as you wish, the only "reward" we would receive for that is another set of terrorist attacks because that would give the terrorists a chance to reload and recruit even more terrorists. <br /><br />Before U.S. troops entered Afghanistan they DID NOT have a legitimate government and it was not recognized by the rest of the world as legitimate. And, its really nice to know you don't care about freeing oppressed peoples. You want them to live in fear, women to have no rights and live oppressed forever instead of giving them a chance to prosper.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-81268546537125044222009-12-22T18:07:13.259-06:002009-12-22T18:07:13.259-06:00Teresa- Are you an Afghan? Am I an Afghan? Um, n...Teresa- Are you an Afghan? Am I an Afghan? Um, no.<br /><br />It is not that I don't feel sorry for the Afghani people. BUT, it is not our <b>government's</b> place to go on a crusade for fair treatment for all. Goodness knows our own people don't get treated fairly by our own government. We have enough problems here, let alone the rest of the world's!<br /><br />We haven't minded our own business since before WWI. Before that even, in fact. We were being imperialistic, arrogant idiots who couldn't even stay at home and deal with our own problems.<br /><br />The Japanese caused Pearl Harbor. That, and FDR the Traitor, who conveniently dangled a prime target in front of the Japanese- who later regretted ever attacking us.<br /><br />9/11 was caused by our actions. We were in the Middle East. Bin Laden made it clear he thought we were wrong, and stated his intentions- several times- to attack us. We did not listen. Middle Eastern countries also made it clear they sided, even only in part, with bin Laden. We brought 9/11 down upon ourselves because of our imperialism. It was not because we were minding our own business; it was exactly the opposite!!Kyla Denaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079377672682346142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-80193290036555035182009-12-22T14:31:28.486-06:002009-12-22T14:31:28.486-06:00Liberty,
What kind of life do you think the A...Liberty,<br /> What kind of life do you think the Afghanis were living before the U.S. entered Afghanistan?<br /><br />Minding our own business got the U.S. attacked on both 9/11 and on Pearl Harbor. Minding your own business as you refer to it as, is really incompetence that causes suffering to our citizens.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-55309600196166728862009-12-22T13:56:01.610-06:002009-12-22T13:56:01.610-06:00Or, JT, we could just mind our own business and th...Or, JT, we could just mind our own business and things would be better- much better. Because we went and messed in the Middle East, we created bin Laden and the Taliban. Our fault. We had a hand in creating Japan, and we were attacked by them. <br /><br />If we just minded our own business and didn't go messing in other country's affairs, we'd be just fine. But we don't- or can't- mind our own business. We've got to go intervening in others' affairs.<br /><br />If we didn't, a standing army would not be necessary- unless, of course, you feel the need to have it on hand to keep the people down.Kyla Denaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079377672682346142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-41020047823236427512009-12-22T10:14:04.266-06:002009-12-22T10:14:04.266-06:00Son3,
I don't think the Founding Fathers were ...Son3,<br />I don't think the Founding Fathers were infallible, and therefore I think they were wrong in not-supporting a standing army.<br /><br />I think the reasons they didn't is because in that day, militia would have defended them from threats just fine. The Indians could be contained and fought if they raided with militia, the French and British in Canada could be kept back, and with the speed of sailing ships to cross the Atlantic, the states would have had plenty of warning to assemble an army of militia to meet a threat. <br /><br />But they are wrong because with today's advent of faster ships and airplanes. The times have changed, and a standing army is necessary to defend our country.<br /><br />That's just my speculation and educated guess. <br />And I'm not sure how this goes against what I said above. <br />If we didn't have a standing army to defend us, we would be beat down into the dust and trod upon. <br /><br />JTJTNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15393383918737627991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-54350156758008761462009-12-20T16:00:34.891-06:002009-12-20T16:00:34.891-06:00Perhaps you could explain, then, how it is that th...Perhaps you could explain, then, how it is that the founding fathers, with the exception of the federalists, were very much against the idea of a standing army?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06096743545034524940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-84214959823536652612009-12-20T14:42:04.640-06:002009-12-20T14:42:04.640-06:00I'm not saying our allegiance should go to a w...I'm not saying our allegiance should go to a war. Never did, don't put words in my mouth. <br /><br />And he was over there fighting for your freedom. What do you think will happen if all our military stopped fighting the terrorists and the nations that sponsor them? <br /><br />We would be attacked, and attacked, and attacked, until we no longer could stand, and would then fall to tyranny or foreign occupation. Maybe it wouldn't happen in your lifetime, but it would happen eventually if we did not go over there to fight. <br /><br />So he IS fighting for your freedom, and the freedom of future generations. <br /><br />People seem to think that the USA will always be around. We take it for granted that we are a world power. <br />The balance of that power hangs by a thread. <br /><br />JTJTNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15393383918737627991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-76661455963819883962009-12-19T23:44:22.619-06:002009-12-19T23:44:22.619-06:00"A friend of mine was in Afghanistan, fightin..."A friend of mine was in Afghanistan, fighting for your freedom.<br />Respect the war he's fighting."<br /><br />I would laugh, but it's truly sad. That war has nothing to do with American freedom, and it is pure <b>idiocy</b> to think it does.<br /><br />And even if the purpose of the U.S. military's presence in the Afghan conflict <i>was</i> to keep us free, they've done a <b>freakishly bad job</b> of it!<br /><br />Our allegiance and respect goes to the Constitution, buddy, not to a war.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06096743545034524940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-45477121898180848712009-12-17T10:03:14.573-06:002009-12-17T10:03:14.573-06:00We're already using funds the country doesn...We're already using funds the country doesn't have, courtesy of the Obama Administration. <br /><br />And yes, you are extremely mistaken if you think we've killed hundreds of thousands of their civilians. <br /><br />Life is life to me. I don't value the life of an american above that of a afghani. <br /><br />But when the Taliban sponsors Osama and helps to fund his effort against America, I call that a declaration of war, just like Japan declared war on us when they attacked Pearl Harbor. <br /><br />And the military cost of lives: They know what they're getting into when they go in. Aside from the absolute dummy or three, men and women in the Armed Forces know there is always the chance for death while on duty. That is their choice. That's why our army is made up of volunteers. <br /><br />JTJTNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15393383918737627991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-2038634528308492762009-12-15T18:31:17.145-06:002009-12-15T18:31:17.145-06:00But does their killing of 3000 of our own justify ...But does their killing of 3000 of our own justify our going there and killing hundreds of thousands of theirs?<br /><br />I'm sorry if that makes me just a little leery of these conflicts.<br /><br />I do not respect the professed reason we are there. We attacked a sovereign country because Osama bin Laden might have been in Afghanistan. Do you really think that justifies the cost in human lives, and in funds our country does not have?Kyla Denaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079377672682346142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-52184069935243225832009-12-15T16:31:31.847-06:002009-12-15T16:31:31.847-06:00Here's the thing:
Men under Osama Bin Laden&#...Here's the thing:<br /><br />Men under Osama Bin Laden's direction KILLED 3000 AMERICANS! <br /><br />I'm sorry if that INFURIATES ME! <br /><br />A friend of mine was in Afghanistan, fighting for your freedom. <br />Respect the war he's fighting. <br /><br />Respect the reason we are there. The Taliban were an oppressive regime. They WERE a government that by hiding Al Quaida operatives when we asked that they be handed over basically said, "screw you, we're not gonna help you." <br />That's enough of a declaration of war to me. <br /><br />JT<br />Warrior of the LightJTNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15393383918737627991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-57072290288990058592009-12-10T16:13:54.024-06:002009-12-10T16:13:54.024-06:00IMO, the war in Afghanistan is about two things: t...IMO, the war in Afghanistan is about two things: the Caspian Basin oil; & the enormous opium trade (92% of the world's opium). The TAPI Pipeline is a natural gas pipeline being developed by the Asian Development Bank to transport Caspian Sea natural gas from Turkmenistan through Afghanistan into Pakistan and then to India. Our troops are being used to guard the construction of that pipeline. Also, the Taliban was destroying the poppy crops & had thrown out the Rothschilds' drug lords. Our troops were used to oust the Taliban, & the opium cultivation has since exploded. As Major General Smedley D. Butler said, "War is a racket. It always has been."Smithiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17797314848386344873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-79495814108810828072009-12-10T09:45:52.554-06:002009-12-10T09:45:52.554-06:00The United States declared war on Japan and its al...The United States declared war on Japan and its ally Germany, not on Hitler or the National Socialist Party; the war went on after Hitler's alleged death.<br /><br />When a state declares war on an individual(s), that's called a "warrant", not a "war".<br /><br />Just thought I'd clarify that.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06096743545034524940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-2252786685413815712009-12-09T20:32:19.812-06:002009-12-09T20:32:19.812-06:00Okay, so we're building infrastructure as we t...Okay, so we're building infrastructure as we tear it down? Sounds like we're defeating our own purpose...<br /><br />Yes, Hitler invaded other countries. But the point is that he was a <b>ruler.</b> He set up a government. He was not a terrorist. He declared war- AS A COUNTRY. We fought him AS A COUNTRY. That is how it supposed to work.<br /><br />Terrorists do not work that way. They are not a government; they have no formal army. They are merely a loose coalition of people that happen to think alike.<br /><br />Really, the difference here is very easy to see.<br /><br />The CIA don't know where bin Laden is. If they did, we'd have him already. We would have had him already. If they're so great at their job, then why don't we know where the terrorists are? There aren't that many of them.<br /><br /><i>"After Afganistan established a government..."</i><br /><br />Oh, the Afghanis established that? Oh, and all this time I thought WE did. How terribly misguided of me.<br /><br />You're still refusing to see my point. Did you even read my blog post (which answered 99% of your arguments), or did you just skim through it, then assume you knew what I said?Kyla Denaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079377672682346142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-46165576404064157642009-12-09T19:16:08.978-06:002009-12-09T19:16:08.978-06:001) Part of the U.S. Military's mission in both...1) Part of the U.S. Military's mission in both Iraq and Afghanistan is building infrastructure. <br /><br />2) Hitler didn't just rule one country. He ruled Germany and Eastern Europe. His main enemy were Jews, like the Islamic Jihadists main enemy are Westerners , or the West. <br /><br />3) The CIA do a great job of gaining intelligence. That is why they are located all over the world. So, figuring out where the terrorists are located is not as hard as you think. I am not saying it is easy, but saying it can happen with hard work.<br /><br />4) If the Taliban had given up Osama Bin Laden then we would not have gone into Afghanistan. After Afganistan established a government they requested the U.S. and its partners to stay to help capture Bin Laden and fight the terrorists.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-8521682350448627362009-12-09T18:10:27.229-06:002009-12-09T18:10:27.229-06:001rst Answer: The Nazis represented a government. ...1rst Answer: The Nazis represented a government. The difference between the terrorists and the Nazis is simple: the Nazis actually had control of a country. They were a governmental entity. They declared war on us.<br /><br />Osama bin Laden does not have control of a country. He can declare war on us- but he is not a country, and it is wrong to invade an entire sovereign country that he does not have control of merely to get him- one man, who has proven he is not easily swayed.<br /><br />I don't think you read my entire blog post. Our 'wars' are causing mayhem in the Middle East. We are killing their people.<br /><br />One of Osama's main points against us is the fact that we take way too much preemptive action, and kill Muslims for no reason.<br /><br />Other Muslims, formerly moderate, will see that he has a point. And they will join him. By preemptively attacking these people, we are creating even more of a problem.<br /><br />2nd Answer: No, I don't think he could have foreseen it.<br /><br />But my point was that by our interventionist policies, both now and in the past, we have created more messes, more bloodshed, and caused more havoc than we can even comprehend.<br /><br />Interventionist policies are wrong. And they are dumb, both long and short-term.<br /><br />I do not want to ignore terrorism. But I think there is a better way to go about combatting it than a misguided 'war on terror'.<br /><br />Also, I don't think you understand that...<b>we are bankrupt</b>. Mostly because of these wars. Our interventionist policies are killing us. We cannot go on like this.Kyla Denaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04079377672682346142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4092775041710446078.post-71375560579402917562009-12-09T17:19:41.485-06:002009-12-09T17:19:41.485-06:001st question: Since the Nazis were spreading an id...1st question: Since the Nazis were spreading an ideology and were located in more than one country do you think that the U.S. should still have gotten involved to stop Hitler?<br /><br />The reason I am for us stopping the terrorists in Afghanistan and other places is because if we don't then they will be able to spread their ideology even further and wider than it is today, or if we didn't engage our enemy. <br /><br />2nd Question: Do you think if Reagan could have foreseen that Osama Bin Laden, the Taliban , and Al Qaeda were going to become our enemies that he would have given them weapons? <br /><br />Hindsight is 20/20. But the future is hard to foretell.<br /><br />I understand your points, but it is extremely futile to promote peace by ignoring evil(terrorism), or by simply trying to talk with them. That might work in combination with us fighting the global war on terror. But, when ignoring evil, it will eventually find a way to reach you regardless of you going after it. I want to prevent another 9/11 from happening.Teresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040553825059591114noreply@blogger.com