Saturday, April 24, 2010

Comment Moderation

So, I was trying to avoid this policy, but unfortunately some spambot keeps visiting and posting nasty links on my comments. ^.^ So from now on, all comments will have to be moderated. Rest assured no actual comments will get deleted. :)


Megan said...

I've awarded you!

Eman said...

I read your comments on Teresamerica’s blog and would like to, respectfully, ask you a few things.
1. Why would you find this Arizona law “disturbing” Miss. Liberty? Can you be specific?
2. Ranchers have been shot and/or killed on their own land. How does that equate to the issue of illegal immigration being not “as big a deal as most people say”?
3. The Obama administration has taken the Patriot Act farther than the Bush administration. They have not only kept it going but enhanced its ability to garner information. You state immigration laws need to be changed? They have worked just fine for those who come to America legally, so what needs changing.

I get the feeling, and I do not know you or your situation, but it would seem you are saying you think its ok for these people to come here and stay and pay no taxes, get free healthcare, and reap the benefits of this country without paying for it or serving it in any way. Please know, I understand you are not yet an adult and I support your efforts to sound off on these things, but your view on this troubles me because the rule of law is what we are talking about here. Respect for the law is something few of these immigrants understand, not just because they broke the law coming here without visas but they don’t know the law in most cases and have little regard for them. My friend was killed going to work at 3AM one morning last month by an illegal Latino male who had no license to drive, no permanent residence, no visa or permission to be in the states and he was drunk, high on narcotics and carrying a loaded pistol and had open intoxicants in the vehicle and drugs on his person. That’s ok? I lost a dear Christian friend and his family lost a father of three and husband. Liberty, I think you need to re-think your position. Please feel free to post comments on my blog

Eman said...

Hi Liberty, and thank you for coming to my blog as well. It's always nice to see well backed opposing views. Your comments are better factually that my liberal guests to be sure.

In reference to article one, if we trust our police force with the protection of the public and with the tools and means to protect themselves as well as the public, why do you feel suspicious of them when they are charged with the discretion of immigration? Are you saying we do not have the right to ask those who can’t speak the language or read the language or understand the language to provide proof of residency and citizenship? In a time of war with an enemy hell bent on the destruction of all we hold dear, is this not prudent? If not, why?

Article two: You said, “When an illegal commits a crime, treat him as a criminal. If we catch an illegal, deport him.” The reason they had to make this law is because ICE was not deporting them. They were allowing them to be released without deportation, hence the need to bring the laws intent to the foreground and force the issue of doing what the Federal Government agency would not do. They have estimated there are 400,000 illegal’s in Arizona, many on the run from the law in Mexico. Over 70% of the people in Arizona and 60% of the Mexican / Latino population agree this law needs to be in place if the feds are unwilling to uphold the law. How do you stop these people from crossing the boarder if you don’t start doing something about asking and establishing their illegal status?

Article three: Waiting periods are necessary. Who these people are and why they’re coming here MUST be determined to facilitate a change in status or citizenship. You can’t let peoples backgrounds go unchecked liberty because if you do you may be placing the public at risk which opens the door to law suits against the government. You may find it bad, but if we find out THEY are bad, it’s better than finding out WHEN they are bad while here.

You say this law goes too far: How so? It is almost word for word what the federal laws say and in most cases IS WORD FOR WORD.

Liberty must be protected, and not abused, and that is why we have laws to protect the public from unlawful entry into the U.S. Freedom is not free and in a time of war, freedoms must be scaled back in order to preserve public trust because the Federal Governments main charge is to protect the United States from harm. Your thinking suggests pre-9-11 philosophy. That’s dangerous and imprudent in a time of war.

suntzusays said...

So if one person is shot, we need a law which cracks down on thousands of innocent people? How about trying to catch the murderer and convict them of their crime? How is it written that we need a new law to deal with a murderer?

92% of the adult immigrants who came here in 2007-8 were employed. Even though not all of them were legally in the country. If there was some sort of societal leech that wasn't paying their fair share of taxes (which considering they don't get social security or medicare even though they would potentially be paying in...), then I'd like to know who they are. There is no assertion to be backed up with factual data that these immigrants are displacing millions or billions of taxpayer monies to provide them with free social services that they did not pay into as taxpayers or residents themselves. It is a mythical talking point, not an actual problem.

The immigrant's primary interest, as with most Americans, is to get a job and raise their families through hard work or education. Not to sit around and collect social security checks and food stamps (which they are usually ineligible for).

As for immigration reform, the primary element needed is to streamline the legal processes and fees involved. Make it easier to get into the country legally to work and study. Simply enforcing the laws we have on the books is a novel idea, but when you examine the complexity and onerousness of those laws as they exist, it becomes a nightmare and explains much of how we ended up in the current situation: where the laws don't work for millions of people who want to come here and do work here anyway, despite the risk that they cannot benefit from the equality of rule of law (for example they won't report crimes committed against them for fear of deportation).

suntzusays said...

Incidentally, if you were going to link to my immigration thoughts, I thought the piece on Haiti back in January (not the NSFW version) was quite a bit better at making the point, even though it had little to do with the Arizona law in particular.